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Debate THIS! Trump and Biden Go for the Jugular

September 30, 2020

Poor Chris Wallace. The relatively moderate, even-tempered Fox News anchor found himself unexpectedly thrust into a playground fight between two brawling schoolboys last night. What made the playground fight noteworthy is that the two brawlers were both well into their seventies – and running for president of the United States.

It wasn’t a pretty spectacle, as spectacles go. Donnie exploited his position as the reigning playground potentate – bragging, bullying, continually interrupting both Wallace and Biden, and (of course) doing what he does best: glorifying his record. (More accomplishments in his first three years than any president in history? I’d happily grant him the edge over Millard Fillmore, Franklin Pierce, James Buchanan, Andrew Johnson, and a number of other listless chief executives, but let’s leave it at that.)

Feisty, beady-eyed Joey, not to be outdone, proved himself to be a pugnacious playground brawler. In fact, he established a number of firsts in the history of presidential debates: the first challenger to call the sitting president a “liar,” a “clown,” and “the worst president America has ever had.” Exasperated by Donnie’s constant interruptions, he finally let loose with “Will you shut up, man?” Stay classy, Joe.

Chris Wallace tried his best to insert himself between the two ruffians, but to no avail. One online wag suggested that both candidates should be fitted with shock collars, which the moderator could zap when either man spoke out of turn.

Was there anything of substance to report? Despite the schoolyard antics, the debate managed to touch on most of the key issues of 2020: the pandemic, the economy, the legitimacy (or illegitimacy) of mail-in ballots, foreign affairs, urban unrest and “racial reckoning” – along with Trump’s taxes and Biden’s sons.

When challenged to denounce white supremacist groups like the Proud Boys, Trump addressed them directly, and somewhat cryptically, by ordering them to “Stand back and stand by.” (Of course, the alt-right took the latter half of that statement as a nod of approval for their cause; they’re probably revving up their engines in anticipation of a disputed election.)

When Trump challenged Biden to denounce the protesters running wild in Democratic-run cities across the republic, the former vice president was quick to oppose the violence (as he’s done on more than one occasion), but stopped short of criticizing BLM or the “woke” left. When Trump told him, “Your party wants to go socialist,” Biden immediately channeled his inner Louis XIV and replied, “I am the Democratic party right now.” (I wonder what AOC or even Kamala Harris would say to that, but let’s interpret Biden’s remark as a signal that he won’t be taking orders from his party’s radical wing.)

What conclusions can we draw from the televised donnybrook? For one, Biden didn’t wilt under the constant barrage of interruptions from a domineering Trump. Contrary to the ongoing Republican talking point, this old fellow was no candidate for a nursing home. While he didn’t dazzle us with his intellect or manners, he demonstrated that he still has the verve, stamina and moral fiber to take on the world’s toughest job.

And what about Trump? Well, the chieftain hasn’t lost his mojo. More bellicose than ever, he did his best to intimidate both his opponent and the moderator with all guns firing. He actually managed to discuss some substantive issues and didn’t take Biden’s bait. (I half expected that the two septuagenarians would engage in fisticuffs before a worldwide audience.) But once again, Trump showed us that he’s a human steamroller — an autocratic personality who cares little for trivial matters like truth and decency. He’s built a cult around himself, and he’s his number one fan. Like a classic schoolyard bully, he aggrandizes himself by diminishing others.

Finally, what did this first debate say about America in 2020? European observers wrung their hands over the televised spectacle as a symptom of our swift decline. (Chinese pundits were more gleeful.)

I don’t think we Americans need to mourn the death of our democracy just yet (let’s wait until Trump or the Democrats try to scuttle the results of the election), but we need to take note and “stand by.” Our polarization into mutually hostile tribes has made us an angry, intemperate and often irrational nation. We need to look at our neighbors with a little less contempt and a little more sympathy.

Too many of our politicians reflect that polarization. It would have been unthinkable for Obama and McCain – or even Nixon and Kennedy – to bandy insults in the crude manner of Trump and Biden. The ghosts of Washington, Lincoln, the Roosevelts, Eisenhower and Reagan must have been clanking their chains, their moans echoing throughout the vast chambers of eternity.

Sure, it was only a debate – a televised political circus act. But it was hard to take. As CNN’s Jake Tapper described it, last night’s slugfest was “a hot mess inside a dumpster fire inside a train wreck.” I won’t even try to top that one.


Rick Bayan is founder-editor of The New Moderate. His three collections of darkly humorous essays are available in e-book form on Amazon. (Just search under Rick Bayan.)




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  1. Chel Kel permalink
    September 30, 2020 10:32 pm

    Actually, the Proud Boys, who are openly misogynistic, Islamophobic, transphobic and anti-immigration, boasts several black members, thus they aren’t quite a white supremacist group.

    • October 1, 2020 10:50 am

      I didn’t know that the Proud Boys had black members. Thanks for the info.

      • October 1, 2020 8:53 pm

        The head of Proud Boys actually spoke out today, trashing the nonsensical idea that his group is a bunch of white supremacists. He’s a black Cuban, now living in Miami. For what it’s worth, he also leads a group called Latinos for Trump. So lots of brown and black Proud Boys. They’re not my cup of tea, but there aren’t that many of them, and they’re definitely not burning and looting our cities. Keep in mind that Biden claimed that those people, at least the heavily funded Antifa ones, do not even exist! Far from denouncing Antifa, Biden calls their radical organization no more than “an idea.”

      • October 1, 2020 11:02 pm

        Priscilla: The left claims that Antifa isn’t an actual organization. I don’t know enough about them to post an informed opinion, but I suspect that they’re similar to the alt-right: a motley association of like-minded extremists without a top-down organization. Our old friend Rob might have considered himself Antifa without being a card-carrying member.

      • October 2, 2020 2:36 pm

        Antifa has members, a flag, and an ideology (the guy who killed the Trump supporter in Portland last month, and was subsequently killed in a shoot out with police referred to himself as “100% Antifa”) but does not have a formal organizational structure. It also has wealthy underwriters, George Soros among them, and some have suggested Jack Dorsey, CEO of Twitter, as well.

        So, to a certain extent, this is an argument that requires a considerable amount of context. Does a nationwide network, made up of anarchist revolutionaries, but lacking incorporation, qualify as an “organization”?

        Probably not (for one thing, anarchists, by their very beliefs, are unlikely to join a club,organization, or any group with a hierarchical structure), but that doesn’t mean that Biden was right to call them “an idea.” That statement was not merely idiotic, but dangerous, They are very corporeal, and could be rightfully called the radical left’s storm troopers, allied at the moment with BLM and the extremist wing of the Democrat Party (think AOC, Omar, etc). They have a coherent goal ~ the destruction of the US~ and a common strategy ~ use traditional left-wing politicians, such as Biden, Pelosi, Adam Schiff, the mainstream media, etc. as useful idiots, to cover for the takeover and, ultimately, the destruction of our system, and then move on to eliminate the useful idiots, and move forward with a anarcho-Marxist revolution. Think Sans-culottes, bolsheviks, etc. They would ultimately turn on each other, of course, but that’s cold comfort, given the likelihood that there would be no one else left….

        The Proud Boys,such as they are, are an anti-political correctness, pro-masculine (the group originally started as the brainchild of alt-right comedian Gavin McGinnis) anti-leftist bunch of street brawlers, who are few in number, but, themselves, serve as useful idiots for more extreme white wing groups. Many like the Latinos for Trump guy, have moved on into more mainstream activism.

        So is Antifa a network, a movement, a bunch of terrorists? Yep. An “organization?” Not really, but that doesn’t make them any less malignant.

      • October 2, 2020 2:37 pm

        “Shadowy” might be a good adjective for Antifa as well.

      • October 2, 2020 2:41 pm

        And, I meant “right wing” not “white wing” groups, lol. A Freudian typo, perhaps?

  2. October 1, 2020 12:03 am

    My comments:
    1) Chris Wallace was a egotistical disgrace, inserting himself repeatedly into a debate that was intended to feature “open discussion” between the candidates. Sure, they may have yelled over each other and left everyone wondering how the hell these two ended up as the candidates, but that would’ve given the voters a chance to see the considerable shortcomings of
    each one…and possibly even produced some high points. Instead, we were subjected to Nanny Wallace’s opinion on what was to be discussed, what was verboten ( hint: how Hunter Biden came by his vast wealth) and when it was time to “move on.” The format wasn’t bad, the moderating was.
    2) I seriously doubt that Trump convinced any Biden supporters to switch their vote to Trump, although Biden probably convinced a bunch of his own supporters to not vote at all.

    • October 1, 2020 10:58 am

      Priscilla: Even if the debate was supposed to feature open discussion, the moderator had to impose some structure and discipline so that each candidate could be heard. You have to admit that Trump was continually talking over Biden in an attempt to dominate the stage. His strategy backfired; several key Trump advisors thought he was way too aggressive and belligerent.

      I did notice that when Trump raised the issue of Hunter Biden’s questionable activities, Chris Wallace’s response was along the lines of “Move along… nothing to see here, folks.” But on the whole I thought he did what he was supposed to do — even if the squabbling candidates made his job next to impossible.

      • John Say permalink
        October 1, 2020 10:25 pm

        BTW Biden was off throughout the whole debate.

        He was not off like he had dementia. He was off like he was drugged.

        His cadence was completely different than normal. He was speaking more slowly and mostly without emotion or expression.

        I do not know what that means but it was weird.

      • John Say permalink
        October 1, 2020 10:26 pm

        Biden was interrupting Trump as much as Trump was interrupting Biden.

        But Biden’s affect was flat so it was actually hard to tell.

    • Savannah Jordan permalink
      October 2, 2020 4:02 pm

      Priscilla, I thought the information about Proud Bays was extremely interesting. I see where Tarrio, the head, is of Cuban descent but they don’t specify he is black, but he certainly has a dark complexiion. I agree with you about BLM and Antifa. They aim for the destruction of the United States. Alan Dershowitz claims that the BLM charter has several anti-semtic elements. I feel that if we are going to condemn the alt-right we must also condemn the BLM and in particular Antifa.

  3. October 1, 2020 12:26 am

    One more gripe about Wallace. Since when is critical race theory and racial sensitivity training remotely the same thing? Perhaps Wallace needs to acknowledge his own white privilege, and be convinced to give up his career, which is clearly based only on the color of his skin, and allow a person of color to take over. After all, Wallace is an old white man, so he is obviously a racist, even if he doesn’t realize it. Reparations are due those who have suffered at the hands of his ilk.

    • October 1, 2020 11:00 am

      Ha… well, today they’re pretty much the same thing, unfortunately. (At least that’s the impression I get.) It’s not enough to feel empathy for people of color; a certain amount of self-flagellation is required.

      • October 1, 2020 8:37 pm

        Rick, it’s not even the self- flagellation. It’s the anti-American, “we’re the most systemically racist, greedy capitalist society in history” aspect of it that is so dangerous and outright dishonest. Reparations are simply redistribution of wealth based on race, rather than class. In reality, they’re the same Marxist solution to the scourge of liberty and free will. Once you’ve accepted intersectionality and all of its ramifications, you believe that only through government control can a society be cleansed of inequality and achieve utopia. Of course, in reality, “utopia”necessarily results in mass death and oppression of the survivors. Goes without saying that we should not be forcing government employees, or anyone else, to undergo this kind of training. Trump is 100% right on this, and Wallace either doesn’t understand what critical race theory is, or is not bright enough to see how dangerously destructive it has already been to our way of life.

      • October 1, 2020 10:55 pm

        I agreed with Trump’s response to the question about antiracism training. It’s indoctrination, plain and simple — based on a combination of critical race theory, BLM talking points, the Times’ 1619 Project, and probably Zinn’s “People’s History.” Even worse, schools are now adopting this approach to teaching American history.

    • October 1, 2020 12:50 pm

      I use to like Wallace. But in the last couple years he is not the same as he was. he needs to retre.

  4. October 1, 2020 12:48 pm

    Well I wrote a comment about twice as long as Priscilla’s first comment , it did not post, then when I tried posting it, it said duplicate and closed me out of word press.

    So I will just say Chris Wallace and anyone involved with the debate should have seen this train wreck coming. Look at what Trump did with some debates in 2016 walking into others spaces, etc. during debates.

    What I saw was two “Grumpy Old Men staring in Fight Club”

    Neither one should be president. But this is what we get when moderates are not actively engaged in primaries, so the fringe candidates win. Democrats and G.O.P have many others much more qualified more in line with Bill Clinton or Bush 41 than what we have today.

    • October 1, 2020 10:49 pm

      I get it, Ron, and of course I agree that the two parties should pick candidates closer to the center. (It makes sense; a centrist candidate has a better chance to capture the swing states.) You’d think a world-class nation of 350 million could field a better pair of candidates. Most of the prominent Democrats in the primaries (Sanders, Warren, O’Rourke, Yang, Harris, Booker) were to the left of Biden, so at least they picked an old-fashioned liberal as opposed to a “woke” progressive. Kamala Harris is a little too woke for me, so let’s hope Biden survives his term if he wins.

      I don’t know how anyone other than King Kong could have intimidated Trump and Biden enough to control that debate. Trump, especially, kept talking over Wallace as well as Biden. Wallace did what he could to control the interruptions, but it was like trying to control a tornado.

      Sorry about the posting glitch, by the way.

      • John Say permalink
        October 1, 2020 11:03 pm

        Harris is a disaster.

        She has been “woke” for this campaign.

        But her past history is quite different.

        She was an abysmal prosecutor in CA.

        Tulsi Gabard did a fantastic job of eviscerating her and knocking her out of the presidential Race. Biden should not have brought her back.

        I do not care so much that she is “woke” – that is an act.
        As that she is the next Hillary Clinton.

        She is a bad person.

        Biden is corrupt. He is not evil.

      • October 2, 2020 7:31 pm

        Rick is there anyway you can increase posts, either your or guests comments. Your site can actually be “the moderate site”, but quarterly comments will not work with wordpress. I chokes after a few comments.

  5. JULIE MARTINI permalink
    October 1, 2020 6:26 pm

    Really liked this post. Right on,



    • October 1, 2020 10:25 pm

      Thanks, Julie! I appreciate the appreciation.

      • October 2, 2020 2:45 pm

        Rick, my apologies. Before launching into all of the ways I vehemently disagree with some of your observations, I should have shown some appreciation as well! Not to mention commently on the our areas of agreement.

  6. John Say permalink
    October 1, 2020 10:23 pm

    BTW Biden was off throughout the whole debate.

    He was not off like he had dementia. He was off like he was drugged.

    His cadence was completely different than normal. He was speaking more slowly and mostly without emotion or expression.

    I do not know what that means but it was weird.

    • October 1, 2020 10:27 pm

      It might have been the contrast with Trump’s overbearing style that made Biden seem subdued. I didn’t get a “weird” vibe from him.

      • John Say permalink
        October 1, 2020 10:59 pm

        Biden spoke for long periods. This had nothing to do with Trump.

        He spoke slower than normal, and he spoke with less affect than normal.

        Play clips of past Biden remarks – even recent ones side by side with his debate performance – they are not the same.

        Biden has a very distinct way of speaking. He has had it for 50 years.

        His “style” was different last night.

    • October 1, 2020 10:38 pm

      I did not watch, but from what I have heard, Trump really did not allow that to show up much.

  7. Savannah Jordan permalink
    October 2, 2020 4:07 pm

    Rick, I don’t think Biden had much of a choice in how to deal with Trump. If he hadn’t told him to shut up, etc. he would have looked like someone cowering under a bully. I thought Trump was an embarassment, but it is exactly what I expected. He acted just as bad in the 2016 election.

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    • October 4, 2020 9:19 pm

      I am constantly amazed by the idiocy of these politicians. It’s one thing to have an illicit affair ~ he could probably survive that being made public. But a married man of almost 50, sexting like this with a married woman makes him look like such a fool, on top of being a philanderer! What an idiot to put this stuff out there to be discovered…has he not heard of what happened to Jeff Bezos, among others? Nothing you put in email or text is really private.

      I’m guessing this helps Tillis jhold a seat that was looking like a flip.

  13. October 4, 2020 9:48 pm

    Apropos of our conversation about the Proud Boys, I found this clip of Anthony Cumia on Joe Rogan’s podcast, talking about how the Proud Boys literally started as a joke between him and Gavin McGinnis, then morphed into an actual group, although never remotely a white supremacist one. Anthony Cumia was part of a duo that had a long time hit radio show “Opie and Anthony,” which was very crude and offensively politically incorrect, much like the Howard Stern show. He and McGinnis were friendly, and this story is really amazing in that it illustrates how a completely moronic joke ended up spawning a false narrative that became part of the recent presidential debate. It’s a funny clip, and worth watching if just to see how insane our news media and politics have become:

  14. Pat Riot permalink
    October 6, 2020 9:08 pm

    Yes, that so-called “debate” was an embarrassing mess. The real winners were the Great Re-Set Globalists who put at least two “impressions” on display:
    1. Self-governance doesn’t work because look at what u get (planting yet another seed for one-world central planning by the premium select elite!)
    2. Old Joe is the more “reasonable” of the two for now, so choose him (which works well for the anti-sovereignty globaliats since Joe/Obama/the Clintons/the Bushes and so many other career politicians have already sold out. )
    Do your own extended research on western globalists and draw ur own conclusions!
    Anyway, Chris Wallace missed a phenomenal opportunity to cement himself a heroic place in human history: Since approx. 90% of people watching on Earth were either cringing (Americans) or laughing derisively (America’s enemies), Wallace should have gotten up on stage and sternly chastised the candidates like a bad-ass, threatening to walk off if they didn’t both follow the rules for the sake of those watching and listening, and then at the next violation turn to the millions of viewers and say, “This is a freakin mess; I’m out!” That would have bene better than coming across as a weanie. Just sayin!

    • Pat Riot permalink
      October 6, 2020 9:25 pm

      By the way, I am absolutely voting for Trump again. Joe Bye-Don is the weakest facade of a puppet I have ever seen in politics.

      • October 9, 2020 9:38 am

        Pat, I posted a comment under Rick’s last post, in which I expressed disbelief that any reasonably observant person could vote for Biden. Of course, I know many smart, observant people who are planning to do just that. I attribute it to the 4 year barrage of anti- Trump BS : first the Russia hoax, the Stormy Daniels payment, the 2 sccops of ice cream “scandal,” phony impeachment, and now, of course, the lie that, had Dems been in charge, no one, or almost no one, would have died from covid. This last thing I can at least explain as a typical campaign strategy; that is, to blame the guy in charge for anything bad that happens on his watch. But, the reason it has worked so well is that the ground has been softened by relentless media focus on Trump’s supposed failures, despite his having one of the most successful first-term agendas, maybe the most successful, that I can recall. Kind of like they tanked George Bush with Katrina, after they had trashed his presidency with the BushHitler stuff for years. Of course, Bush was already in his second term by the time they were successful, but it did help a political novice to defeat McCain, who had voted for Bush’s War. I eventually turned away from Bush myself, mostly because he refused to push back on anything ~ his silence seemed like assent.

        I don’t know if Biden supporters really believe that he is capable of holding the office. I suspect that many do not, but simply want the orange interloper out, believing that that will make the chaos end. They are missing the point that, although Trump understands and even thrives on drama and chaos, he has not caused any of it, and that it will continue and worsen under Biden, because 1) the radical left considers him a useful idiot, and his VP an even more useful idiot, who will assist them in achielving their goals. 2) their revolution has started and it won’t end until it’s put down by force. The appeasement and tacit approval of the Democrats has emboldened violent radicals. They don’t give a shit about Biden or Harris ~ they’re gonna do what they’re gonna do. I can see Harris attempting to put them down by force, after mischaraterizing them as right-wingers, but that’s another topic.

    • October 10, 2020 12:29 pm

      Good ol’ Word Press. At it again. Second attempt at posting this. Sorry if it shows up twice.

      Pat/Priscilla Back when this virus began, I made the comment a couple times that I thought Trump would lose and the senate would flip. I said that because Trump alienated a large number of voters because of his persona and that did not change over the past 8 months. Just a couple days ago Gallup did a poll and 56% of the respondents said they were better off today than 4 years ago. That was higher than anytime over the past 20 years when that polling was done. Another poll gave the president a 50% performance approval, but 9% of those said they would not vote for Trump because of his personal behaviors.

      This is showing in all the swing state polls. Michigan, Biden up by almost 10%, N.C. Biden up by 3-4%, Biden up in PA, toss up Ohio, FL. Electoral map looks like over 300 for Biden.

      In the senate, that also looks to become democrat controlled. Even in N.C. where the democrat has been found to be sexting with another woman in CA and will not confirm it was only one this happened with, he is still up by 5-7% over Tillis. Senate appears to be 53-47 if looking at polls.

      I look at two things happening. One a slow introduction of far left legislation so the “crabs” in the crab pot don’t recognize the more socialistic policies becoming part of controlling American lives, or two, a fast first 90 day movement to reintroduce all the regulations that Trump repealed, fast approval of more entitlement legislation, fast approval of tax changes, more regulation on energy and many other far left agenda items.

      The smart thing the dems could do is #1. If they do it under #2, people will realize the impact on their lives and reject that agenda in 2022 and move back to a more moderate position, I don’t see that happening in this country for a number of years given the indoctrination of our young within the education systems today.

      As for packing the court, I am of the opinion that this is an issue being used by the GOP to garner support and will not really become an issue with the dems. With two of the conservative judges over 70, they might just wait for an opening and not go full radical. Shumer might not be able to keep swing state democrat senators in line, even with threats of committee removal assignments and reduction of pork money to their states.

      • October 11, 2020 12:09 pm

        Sadly, Ron, I tend to agree with most of what you’ve said here. The dumbing down of America, which started in the 70’s , with “values education,” has come home to roost, with a electorate that largely misunderstands or has no knowledge of our founding or our history. Young people today throw around the term “systemically racist” to justify any and all bad behavior and violation of law. They think that “court-packing” means nominating and confirming any legitimate vacancy that comes up during a president’s term. Essentially, they are sheeple, who will go along with anything that the Democrats say, because they have no understanding of the principles of democracy, they only understand power politics. In other words, anything that’s good for their side is “right,” and if they oppose it, it’s “wrong.”

        I can only pray that, if the Dems take over, they will act according to the Constitution, but I don’t believe they will. Look at how most Democrat governors and mayors have behaved as mini-dictators during the lockdown. The Michigan Supreme Court ruled that Gretchen Witmer had violated Michigan’s constitution and unlawlfully imposed authoritarian rule, and what did she do? She basically told the court to pound sand, and that she would do as she pleased. This is how the Democrats will shred the US Constitution.

        As much as I admire what Trump has done, how he has stood up to China, brokered peace between Israel and the Arab nations, brought back our manufacturing base and made America the premier energy producing nation in the world….I also agree with you that he has too often been his own worst enemy, refusing to STFU when Biden was self-destructing, and allowing Biden to make Trump the main issue in the election.

        I don’t think that the election will be a landslide for Biden, as the polls predict. I’m not saying that Trump will win. I think that the election will be contested, and that will throw the country into more chaos. But there’s still another 20+ days, and, given the events of 2020 so far, I’m hopeful that things take a better turn. Hopeful, but not necessarily optimistic.

      • October 11, 2020 1:34 pm

        I doubt it will happen here, but the same game plan was used in Venezuela to get control of that country.

        The first step is education
        Next is the media
        Then end arounds around the constitution
        Finally constitutional amendments/ total replacement

        Michigan’s governor went around the states constitution that the state S.C. said she violated by ordering local health departments, who have local legal controls, to follow her edicts.

        Since you are moving our way shortly, will tell you that we are still limited in many ways here. Bars can only open outside for limited patrons, restaurants limited, theaters limited, stadiums limited, etc. BUT….High Point, the city I worked at in the Health System that has a very powerful “elite”, has a furniture market twice a year. It is now open for their fall market and is usually attended by 75,000-80,00, but this year, they expect 35,000-40,000.

        So if your a small eatery or bar owner, you dont have the political clout. But if your in furniture, well money talks to our governor. How he can justify limiting fans to less than 10,000 in stadiums holding 50,000, but allowing 35,000-40,000 inside buildings is hard to understand.

        There sure is no “science” in that decision

  15. Savannah Jordan permalink
    October 16, 2020 7:04 pm

    I can’t vote for Trump. Even though Joe Biden is a very decent man, I can’t bring myself to vote for him because I believe that the democratic party is promoting policies that are highly destructive to America. This video almost precisely expresses my disgust with the Democratic Party. It is 47 minutes long but it is well worth the time.

  16. October 19, 2020 11:23 am

    Biden was caught selling his office to the Chinese Communist Party, so his 50 yr. old son could buy crack and sex trafficked hookers, so, of course, yesterday the media asked him what flavor milkshake he bought for his granddaughter (That is literally true, by the way ~ as a massive scandal swirled around him, the media followed Joe and his granddaughter to a shake shop and played nice).

    Joe Biden has cultivated his persona as a “hail fellow, well met” kind of guy, while he and his family have enriched themselves and become multi-millionaires, by selling access to him while he was VPOTUS. Imagine how much wealthier they will become when he is POTUS!

    Does anyone here know what Biden will do as POTUS, other than raise taxes and make sure that the government takes over the healthcare system? No, because all he has campaigned on is that Trump caused everyone to die of covid, and that there has been no violence in our cities ~ that is a “myth,” according to him, and Antifa is merely an ‘idea”. Oh, and that he, Joe Biden, represents the “soul” of America. God help us if that is true.

    Throughout American history, we have maintained the idea that anyone can grow up to be president. Donald Trump was an outsider, who believed that he could do better than the swanp-connected politicians in DC, so he became their target. Whether or not one likes his personality, he has steadfastly pushed to enact the populist agenda that he promised. That has been his crime. He refused to become part of the elite, his populism was not fake.

    Just about every elite institution in America has conspired to defeat him: the intelligence community, academia, the media, and the entrenched Washington DC political establishment of both parties.

    The prevailing narrative is that Trump is incompetent, rude and heartless. I’ll agree that he can be rude, particularly to people who are trying to destroy him. But, as I have said in the past, I don’t think it matters ~ if he were “nice” they would do the same thing.

    So, we’ll wait and see how the American constitutional republic fares under President Harris. I’m guessing that, within 4 years, we will no longer have it, proving that Ben Franklin was right when he implied that a republican form of government is hard to keep.

    • October 19, 2020 11:00 pm

      Priscilla, I could agree with you about Trump except for issues like putting goons into the CDC to censor communications out of an agency, that has been and should be apolitical. He has assigned strongmen/women to CDC individuals, one as chief of staff to Redfield, for no other reason to approve what he releases concerning C-19. It is intimidation and nothing else.

      This is no different than Mafia Dons assigning “body guards” for New York mayors, not to really protect them, but to control access of individuals with opposing views of the crime bosses to the mayor so that their agenda is not side tracked. I suspect since Trump grew up and managed businesses while mafia dons were still powerful, he learned the trade.

      As for Biden, I still believe Biden wont complete much more than one year in office. Today, getting out of a SUV there were two SS men helping him get his balance getting out of the vehicle, he shuffles his feet and then walks into the building taking steps about 1/2 the length I take and my stride is no where close to where it was 5 yrs ago.He reminds me of a 85 year old grandfather.

      Harris is the one that scares me, not Biden. If Biden is in office and the tax rates go back to 39%, those over $500k will find loopholes. And if he can get Amazon paying taxes on billions, I dont have problems with that either. Amazon should have been paying taxes years ago, but liberals talk a good talk about paying your fair share, but take advantage of anything available, thus they have paid little. As for healthcare, if he continues to support Medicare buy-in, that would be good if their is choice, competition and no mandate. I have seen too many people get screwed by insurance companies over my career to not believe competition from Medicare would not help. Medicare Advantage shows what competition can do.

      However, if Harris has any influence, then the progressives will use force to achieve their agenda, not choice. And force leads to many things worse than government making people buy private companies products. The ACA force was just the first steps. That happily has been derailed so far.

      • October 21, 2020 8:42 pm

        Ron, I hadn’t heard of this, so I googled it, and the goons were apparently Health and Human Services appointees who tried to review/change CDC information that they believed was intentionally misleading and political.

        One was Dr. Paul Alexander, an Oxford educated epidemiologist and professor at McMaster Univ. in Canada, who said “CDC to me appears to be writing hit pieces on the administration.Very misleading by CDC and shame on them. Their aim is clear.”

        I know that the CDC is a bureacracy and that HHS is an administrative agency, so they likely both spun this to their advantage. CDC includes many scientists hostile to Trump (Fauci and Redfield among them), and HHS includes scientists who were appointed by Trump.

        So, as always, there are 2 sides to this. And when politics is involved, both sides are probably unreliable.

      • October 21, 2020 10:52 pm

        Yes, two sides to every coin. But Trump seems to have his coin with just tails (and you can define your own “tail”).

        So hire some “scientist” to explain why the CDC science is screwed up. Why make it look like you are putting strongmen into the agency to shut them up. It just plays into the anti-Trump natrative.; This is the one place one can tell trump has always been in charge and no one ever questioned the emperors cloths. He does not know how to handle opposition effectively.

  17. October 21, 2020 8:00 pm

    Interesting that the FBI held a presser today and confirmed that the claim that the Proud Boys were going to interfere in the election was false and actually came from Iran. It was sent to Democrat Leaders and news outlets, who, in turn, claimed that the Proud Boys were going to intimidate Democrats who came to vote. Interesting that the Democrats would think that 1) a small rag-tag group like the Proud Boys could do that and 2) that the media outlets claiming this nonsense have barely mentioned Antifa to this day, despite the fact that Antifa groups have already announced that they would try and intimidate Trump voters at polling places. My question is: how does Antifa know who someone is going to vote for? Or do they just hang outside of precincts that they know tend to be heavily GOP? Or maybe they won’t be there at all, but want to suppress turnout?

    • October 21, 2020 10:48 pm

      Here again Trump sticks his head up his rear when ask about the Proud Boys and gives that off the wall answer something like “wait and see”.

      His needing to know everything, speak about everything and brag about everything is what has screwed him in this election.

      Why not say I am not that familiar with that group, so will investigate and if we find something, we will report that to you.

      He is in the train tunnel with the bright light ready to crash into him and that bright light is himself!

      • October 22, 2020 8:49 am

        Hahaha! Even though we disagree about Trump, Ron, I always get a laugh at the ways you bash him. He does often crash into himself!

        I hope he doesn’t tonight. With the Hunter Biden bribery scandal set to break into the mainstream, Trump should just shut the hell up (if possible) and let Biden drown in his own corruption. Problem is, the moderator will be hitting the “mute” button every time Trump changes the subject, while letting Joe ramble on about how he is the “soul” of America.

        Trump is a very flawed man, but he has been the man we needed to push back on Obama’s “fundamental tranformation” of America into a country of identity politics, deep state corruption and socialist big government. I firmly believe that, if he hadn’t come along, we would already have lost our 1st and 2nd amendment rights, to name just a couple.

        If Biden wins, I believe he will be a figurehead, while Kamala Harris and the left wing of the Democrat Party begin to dismantle the Constitution. If Trump wins, the left will go absolutely crazy~ well, crazier than they already are, if that’s possible~ and he will have to put down riots across the country.

        Either way, the next year will not be pleasant. We may look back at the covid shutdown as “the good old days.”

      • October 22, 2020 12:41 pm

        I bash him from frustration.
        1) I did not support him in the primaries in 2016
        2) Did not vote for him (Johnson) in 2016
        3) Came to support him based on his policies.
        4) Pissed off and frustrated with him because he has screwed up his reelection due to his persona. And much of his policies will be reversed within a year of Harris taking office.

  18. October 22, 2020 11:51 am

    Not watching news or debates, will be watching local college football tonight.

    But not living in a vacuum either. This is also destroying my dream that Biden would win, retire to the White House, come out like the ground hog once a year to deliver SOTU and harmony would prevail👻

    Well this just blew that away. Biden wins, another 4 years of some more divisive investigations.

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