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Israel’s Bad Career Move

June 1, 2010

Israel’s national halo has been looking tarnished enough lately, but the ill-advised commando raid on those Gaza relief ships this past weekend finally flipped that golden headgear into the deep blue sea. Granted, the relief activists probably provoked the outburst of Israeli gunfire that killed at least ten of their comrades. A soldier — even an Israeli soldier — isn’t stoically obligated to tolerate violence aimed at his person.

But why were those Israeli commandos raiding a relief flotilla in the first place? Why couldn’t they have notified the ships in advance that they were climbing aboard to check for smuggled weapons (or whatever else they were looking for)? Why risk an international flareup with an illegal show of military force in international waters?

I’m afraid it boils down to Israel’s righteous brand of exceptionalism, a trait that has won it more enemies than friends over the years. (More about this national quirk below.) Israel insists on blockading that troublesome, radicalized Gaza Strip, and it won’t brook any violations of its policy — even if the wretched residents of Gaza literally starve as a result of that policy. Bad career move, Israel.

This is no way for a civilized and ostensibly humane nation to act — even a nation that has suffered more than its share of savage and senseless terrorist assaults, even if those assaults have been as unrelenting as they are savage and senseless. Israel holds the reins in its corner of the world. It should know better.

It’s no accident that Israel and the United States have been the coziest of allies, aside from the reputed influence of the American Jewish lobby. They’re kindred spirits among nations — a matching pair separated only by distance and dimensions (Israel happens to be the approximate size of New Jersey).

Both Israel and the U.S. won their nationhood with a potent combination of passionate idealism, a commitment to democracy and a gritty will to prevail. Both nations embrace middle-class virtues and enjoy the fruits of affluence. Both conduct their affairs with a righteous zeal that borders on arrogance. And, as a result, both have demonstrated a rare talent for irritating their friends while infuriating their enemies. 

This righteous zeal — this knack for irritating and infuriating  — springs from both nations’ accursed sense of exceptionalism. Simply stated, exceptionalism means “The rules don’t apply to us because we’re different from (and better than) other nations.”  

The U.S. sees itself as the last best hope of mankind, the fount of liberty and democracy, and the greatest nation in history (if you listen to Sean Hannity). Israel believes itself to be the divinely appointed heir to the historical Jewish homeland, a slim slice of stony turf on the eastern shore of the Mediterranean. The more Orthodox Israeli citizens believe that God literally chose the Jews over all other nations — their scriptures tell them so, after all.  (Americans essentially believe the same thing about themselves, without scriptural support.) Nobody messes with the U.S., and nobody messes with Israel.

How do you reconcile the legitimate and hard-won concept of a Jewish homeland with the exclusionary practices of that homeland? How do you grant Palestinian Arabs a place in that homeland without diminishing the essential Jewish nature of Israel? No other nation on earth has confronted such deep and divisive dilemmas, because no other nation has been resurrected on its former site after an absence of 2000 years.

Both factions in this eternal blood feud need to get a grip on reality — fast. The Palestinians must recognize that Israel’s existence has been a fact of life for over sixty years now; there’s no going back. The Israelis aren’t going to strike their tent and move to Norway or Nebraska. They belong in the land of their ancestors after having searched desperately for safe havens throughout the last two millennia. At this point in their history, Jews have earned the right to feel secure in their own homeland.

Israel needs to recognize that the Palestinians aren’t going to disappear, either — and that they’re entitled to live and prosper in the land of their ancestors. The Jewish population of Israel might be better educated and more technologically advanced than the Arab population, but that’s no excuse for treating the Arabs like a lesser species.

Can these two ancient peoples just kiss and make up? Apparently not. The current Palestinian revolt began after Israel decided to grant autonomy to predominantly Arab parcels of Israeli territory. And now that Hamas controls the Gaza Strip, Israel has to contend with a radical Islamist foe on land that it voluntarily ceded to the Palestinians. 

If The New Moderate had to point a finger at the group that bears primary responsibility for the ongoing miseries in the Holy Land, we’d have to aim that finger at the Palestinians — and especially the crazed radical Islamists among them. But Israel shouldn’t be let off the hook, either — especially after the arrogant raid on ships carrying humanitarian aid to the people of Gaza. Losing Turkey as an ally is the least of Israel’s worries at this point; the feisty Jewish state has alienated the Obama administration and most of the Western world as well.

How will the latest crisis play out? How will the ongoing conflict between Jews and Palestinians resolve itself in the end? I’d like to conclude that only God knows, but I have my doubts.

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  1. taliesinknol permalink
    June 1, 2010 5:19 pm

    I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again, “No more theocracies, no more religious states.” And yes, the Palestinians started it, but if the “he started it” excuse didn’t work in school, it shouldn’t work in international politics.

  2. Priscilla permalink
    June 2, 2010 10:14 am

    Hmm….well, if we define a “relief flotilla” as a ship carrying activists backed by Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood, who, btw, consider weapons to be relief supplies, who issued prior statements to the Arab press that they were willing to die as martyrs in this effort to defeat Zionism, and who attacked the IDF, with brutal and deadly force, the instant that they boarded the ship – well, then, I guess the current understanding of “humanitarian relief” is a bit different than I thought it was.

    Turkey, which has officially gone over to the “dark side,” backed this farce, and the IDF was foolish enough to board the ship in the first place ….they had to know that this was a PR stunt, designed to bring maximum outrage against Israel. In all honesty, I guess I don’t know what else they could have done, knowing, as they did, that this flotilla was loaded with terrorist-backed Palestinian supporters. I guess they could have fired on the ship and disabled it, but that would have been denounced as an act of war.

    What disturbs me is not so much that this was a “set-up” designed to further isolate Israel and empower its enemies ….but that the US has encouraged this sort of thing by not standing firmly on the side of Israel. Apparently the Obama administration has decided to take Israel’s side in this now that the incident has occurred, but I wonder if it would have occurred at all if Obama had signalled, early on, that the US would always stand with our closest ally in the Mideast, instead of hinting that the alliance was weakening…….

    • June 2, 2010 11:08 am

      Priscilla: Looks like we “simulposted.” You make some compelling points, as usual. Has anyone actually revealed the contents of those “relief” ships? I’m assuming they were carrying needed supplies as well as some smuggled weapons, but do we know for sure?

      Israel had a right to inspect those ships, of course, but I don’t think a surprise commando raid was the way to go. They could have sent out a flotilla of their own to guide the relief ships to an Israeli port for inspection. Or they could have surrounded the ships and announced that they were peacefully boarding them to look for weapons. Any violence that resulted could have been pinned squarely on the relief workers.

      Instead, they played into the hands of the radicals who wanted Israel to look like the aggressor. And the Israelis obliged, because I think they actually like to pull off macho stunts like this — it’s their way of showing the Arabs who’s the alpha-dog in the region.

      The U.S.-Israel alliance has suffered because of the Gaza blockade. Yes, I can understand why Israel would want to squeeze the life out of a Hamas-dominated territory, but we have to think of the human beings trapped there, without access to jobs or supplies. It has to be a living hell. We can’t unconditionally support everything Israel decides to do.

      Ultimately, it’s an impossible situation because the Arab population is growing more and more radicalized. Maybe the only answer is an all-out war in which Israel retakes Gaza and wipes out the Hamas leadership. But the Palestinians would have to fire the first shot so that Israel isn’t perceived as the aggressor. (Of course, anyone who doesn’t like Israel will always portray Israel as the aggressor.) Any way you look at it, Israel is in a bind.

  3. June 2, 2010 10:33 am

    I don’t think we’ll ever see a permanent resolution to the Israel-Palestine issue. If we could somehow cull the radical Islamists from the Arab population, there would be a chance that the two nations could get along in their separate territories. But the Islamists are a wingnut element, and their numbers only seem to increase. (They have more kids, and their poverty helps them radicalize all those young people.) It’s hard to believe that Islamic fundamentalism and its primitive world-view could actually be on the rise in our times, but we’ll have to deal with it for the rest of our lives. I wish we could just de-program all of them.

    As for Israel — whether you call it a theocracy depends on whether you label the Jews as a religious or ethnic group. (It’s a complicated issue.) They’re both, of course, and the two elements are intertwined. Israel has plenty of atheist and agnostic Jews who still consider themselves Jewish. Even if the entire population of Israel were atheist, it would still be a Jewish state — a homeland for the descendants of the ancient Israelites. On that level, it has earned the right to exist free from harassment.

  4. Anonymous permalink
    June 2, 2010 12:08 pm

    Oh almighty god, if you did not want the end of the world to come by a war in Korea, then come back in the hot spot of your prophets and end the world using your two troubled Abraham (Ibrahim) sons, Ishmael and Isaac (Yes, I suuuuck)

  5. Anonymous permalink
    June 2, 2010 4:46 pm

    An interesting video on the subject of Israel/human rights violations.

  6. Priscilla permalink
    June 5, 2010 8:16 am

    The reason why this conflict never ends was best summarized in this quote by Netanyahu:

    “If the Arabs put down their weapons today, there would be no more violence. If the Jews put down their weapons today, there would be no more Israel’

    And, regarding the flotilla “raid”, my understanding is that the Israelis specifically asked the ship dock north of Gaza, and promsed that they would deliver any aid supplies (which they have done consisitently). The insistence on sailing directly to Gaza was obviously for the purpose of creating an incident.

    And, as far as suffering goes…..enduring missle attacks, and endless threats of extermination is not suffering?

    • June 5, 2010 10:32 am

      Priscilla: Good quote from “Bibi” — it’s a simplification, of course, but that doesn’t make it any less true. As the details of the incident emerged, I’d have to agree that more of the blame seemed to shift to the “relief” workers’ corner. They were obviously trying to provoke an incident. What still isn’t clear is whether Israel warned the boats first, before the commandos went aboard. If they defied orders, then Israel had no choice but to board the boats.

      Still, killing nine or ten people in the flotilla wasn’t the wisest move; I wonder how many of them were actually armed. It was a gut reaction to a perceived threat, comparable to the Boston Massacre or Kent State. (In each case the men with the guns were provoked, they reacted, and they were accused of a massacre.)

      As for the suffering of Israelis vs. the suffering in Gaza… well, two wrongs don’t make a right. Israel has wisely agreed to loosen the blockade enough to allow more supplies to enter Gaza. I just don’t know what the long-term solution is. The radical Islamists have to be eliminated without causing mass bloodshed among the Arab population. A delicate operation… I still think the only solution is for a strong moderate Muslim faction to emerge, but I’m not holding my breath. If we can’t build a strong moderate faction in the U.S., what hope is there in the Middle East?

    • Taliesin permalink
      June 5, 2010 9:37 pm

      A list of the things banned in Gaza, provided by an Israeli site.

      http://www.btselem.org/english/statistics/casualties.asp

      Why is Fresh meat dangerous? Are they taking the glycerin from the fat and making rocket fuel?

      • Taliesin permalink
        June 5, 2010 9:38 pm

        Woops, that’s not the list of banned goods, I lost that link. That’s the list of people killed and who killed them in the various conflicts.

      • Taliesin permalink
        June 5, 2010 11:40 pm

        Here’s a list of items Israel banned;
        sage, cardamom, cumin, coriander, ginger, jam, halva, vinegar, nutmeg, chocolate, fruit preserves, seeds and nuts, biscuits and sweets, potato chips, gas for soft drinks, dried fruit, fresh meat, plaster, tar, wood for construction, cement, iron, glucose, industrial salt, plastic/glass/metal containers, industrial margarine, tarpaulin sheets for huts, fabric (for clothing),flavor and smell enhancers, fishing rods, various fishing nets, buoys, ropes for fishing, nylon nets for greenhouses, hatcheries and spare parts for hatcheries, spare parts for tractors, dairies for cowsheds, irrigation pipe systems, ropes to tie greenhouses, planters for saplings, heaters for chicken farms, musical instruments, size A4 paper, writing implements, notebooks, newspapers, toys, razors, sewing machines and spare parts, heaters, horses, donkeys, goats, cattle, chicks

      • Taliesin permalink
        June 5, 2010 11:41 pm

        and a link to the site

        http://gisha.org/UserFiles/File/HiddenMessages/ItemsGazaStrip060510.pdf

  7. June 6, 2010 12:46 am

    Good grief, that list is so ridiculous! I guess potato chips have those sharp edges that can be used to inflict cuts on unwary Israelis. And HALVA — they’re really hitting those poor Arabs below the belt on that one! I wonder if industrial margarine can be used as fuel; maybe it explodes on contact. But why ban toys? No wonder all those Palestinians are growing up with a deep-seated hatred of Israel!

    I guess the Israelis are making those Gaza Palestinians pay for electing Hamas. Or did they elect Hamas because Israel was already denying them their toys and halva? What a world, as the Wicked Witch of the West lamented in her dying breath. She was right.

    • Taliesin permalink
      June 6, 2010 1:49 am

      lol, and the chocolate might give them cavities and diabetes… 😉

  8. Priscilla permalink
    June 6, 2010 10:33 am

    Rick, I mostly agree with you about the optics of the flotilla incident. But there is so much misinformation out there. For example, did you know that the rifles that the IDF took aboard the flotilla were actually paintball guns? The reason for this was that the Israelis knew that there was a possiblilty that they would be ambushed as they boarded the ship, and their weapons turned against them? The shootings occurred with pistols that they concealed in their uniforms and were used only after it became apparent that the “peace activists” on the flotilla were intending to kill them by any means possible – beating them to death with lead pipes, stealing their weapons, whatever…..

    I don’t know if you have ever traveled to Israel or undergone the very careful security checks that occur at Israeli airports, but I know for a fact that chocolate is often used to produce bombs (picric acid) and is something that cannot be brought into Israel, except in small gift-sized amounts. Plastic toys have been used to conceal bombs as well….I don’t know about potato chips, or other stuff on that list, but when you have seen elderly people, small children and others blown to smithereens as they shopped, ate at restaurants or just generally went about their daily business, you would likely be excessively cautious about allowing the people who make those bombs to bring in anything that might be helpful in the slaughter of innocents.

    • June 8, 2010 11:48 am

      Priscilla: The blockade is a half-and-half affair: half legitimate defensive concerns and half sheer cruelty. If you look at that list of forbidden items, you can’t help but conclude that the Israelis are trying to make life in Gaza as miserable as possible without actually causing death. That’s pretty stern punishment for electing Hamas, and it punishes those who voted against Hamas along with those who voted for them.

  9. tzivia zeidman permalink
    June 8, 2010 9:04 am

    the ship was warned time and again to come peacfully they refused. Those were provocators and unfortunately Israel had played straight into their hands. It seems like a trend to hate Israel. “All freedom fighters, justice seekers” unite. There are no more problems in the world. Human rights, women rights, gay rights poverty and hunger all been solved. The Israeli vs. Plastenian conflict is the only one remaining. Just in case the forgetfull world Israel had pulled out of Gaza. The rockets came closer to the border. The “freedom” fighters wouldn’t hear about Gilad Shalit an Israeli soldier in captivity for 4 yrs. where are his human rights?

  10. June 8, 2010 11:42 am

    Tzivia: That’s what I wasn’t sure about: if the flotilla received repeated warnings and still resisted, Israel was justified in going aboard. But of course the two sides keep giving us conflicting reports of what actually happened.

    You’re right that Israel seems to be a convenient target for trendy liberals these days. Yet it’s also clear that criticizing Jews is still taboo. (Look at what happened to Helen Thomas.) I find this disturbing, as if the liberals know they can’t badmouth the Jews — so they take out their animosities on Israel. (Displaced anti-Semitism?)

    Maybe if we acknowledged that no group (including Jews) should be above criticism, there would be less animosity toward Israel. I wonder…

  11. Anonymous permalink
    June 8, 2010 1:01 pm

    Rick said: Yet it’s also clear that criticizing Jews is still taboo. (Look at what happened to Helen Thomas.)
    ——————————-
    She was removed because she said:

    “Jews should “get the hell out” of Israel and go “home” to countries such as Poland and Germany.”

    Also she said:

    “I censored myself for 50 years………. Now I wake up and ask myself, ‘Who do I hate today?'”
    ————–

    I find it highly controversial, if she censured herself for 50 years, that means she is a hypocrite. A respected journalist may censure itself now and then, but if you censure yourself for 50 years, how kind of integrity she has?

    Now, let’s say that she finally, after 50 years, she has the freedom and say to the Jew to “go home”, WHAT?? We expect that Jew got the Earth as their home and still keep a creepy land as being their just to throw the whole world in a mess?

    Oh… It is prophetical, it is the land of god… but don’t hate me for that… you’ll hate the true god if you hate me… I am the chosen one… I love to be hated… muslims just found that, but it’s too late… we are the first one to agree to disagree…

  12. Priscilla permalink
    June 9, 2010 12:13 am

    Pretty stern punishment for electing Hamas, a terrorist organization that achieves its ends by slaughtering civilians, and stonewalling peace talks? Since when is a blockade supposed to be warm and fuzzy?

    I agree that criticism of Israel is not the same thing as anti- Semitism. Many Jews criticize Israel. But, Helen Thomas is a either a rank anti-Semite or an ignorant, historically challenged fool ( I’m guessing a little of both) to say that Jews should “go home” to Germany and Poland, the two nations in WWII that had extermination camps. If we were not so politically correct and averse to offensive speech such as Thomas’s, we might be able to see all of this more clearly. I think that you are spot on on this point. But, the left, in general, is clueless when it comes to issues of war and national security, and Israel survives only because of its expertise in these areas… say all you want about the “cruelty” of survival, but when survival is truly the issue, the comforts and niceties of life often take a back seat.

    • Taliesin permalink
      June 9, 2010 2:19 pm

      Priscilla, it is technically illegal to blockade civilians.

  13. June 9, 2010 1:54 pm

    Priscilla: You won’t find me saying anything nice about Hamas. I just wonder how fair it is to blockade Gazans who voted against Hamas along with the folks who voted for them. (It’s that Old Testament notion of the wrath of God punishing the innocent along with the guilty.)

    I’ve been reading more about Helen Thomas. Looks like she had an axe to grind: it’s a little-known fact that she’s Lebanese on both sides, so that would explain (without excusing) some of her animosity toward Israel and the Jews. Undoubtedly she was pissed at Israel after the raid on the Gaza flotilla. I also think she was trying to get a rise out of the filmmaker who asked her opinion. She’s a professional gadfly, after all.

    That said, of course it was nasty and inexcusable for her to suggest that Jews go back to Germany and Poland (she also added the U.S. and “anywhere” else). What I found interesting was that she said they should go “home” — as if they were just squatters (in the land of their own ancestors!). Hello, Helen!

    But should she have been forced to “resign” (I hate it when they use that word) for a ten-second lapse of judgment after a distinguished 60-year career? Think of what a minuscule percent of her career those remarks consititute. Yes, what she said was vile, but she apologized and she shouldn’t have to fall on the sword for expressing an opinion. And good grief, she’s 89 years old. Over half the population in her age bracket has some form of Alzheimer’s or dementia. Of course, if she had any sense, she’d have retired years ago.

    I really should have written a separate column about the Helen Thomas incident. I wonder if it’s too late.

  14. Priscilla permalink
    June 9, 2010 11:56 pm

    Taliesin, it is technically illegal to launch missle attacks on hospitals and schools…and to “homicide- bomb” shopping malls and cafes.

    The point is this: if there were an anti-American organization launching deadly missle attacks against the US… say, from Cuba, would you contend that we had no right to defend our citizens by blockading Cuba?

    As far as the execrable Ms. Thomas….I really was not that put out by her comments. They did not surprise me…she has never been shy about her anti-Semitism or her hatred for Israel. We should allow people to be offensive…political correctness is poison to free speech. But Helen Thomas should have retired years ago…she’s a bigoted, untalented hack, and always was. Good riddance to her.

    • Talisesin permalink
      June 10, 2010 3:29 pm

      And if we were building illegal settlements and taking over Cuban territory would you contend that the Cubans had no right to defend their country from an invasion?

  15. Anonymous permalink
    June 10, 2010 3:57 pm

    Priscilla says: “As far as the execrable Ms. Thomas….I really was not that put out by her comments. They did not surprise me…she has never been shy about her anti-Semitism or her hatred for Israel.”

    Ms. Thomas anti-Semite? Are you serious? She said that the Jews should go to their “homes” all around the world. “Go out of Palestine?” that just a big BS . She knows that Jews never abandon this land of turmoil that keeps all the world attention on them. Jews love to be hated. Jews wants the bible “prophecies” to be “true” for the world spectacle-show-“can-can”- entertainment-Hollywood- cheap Broadway and all that.

  16. Leno permalink
    June 11, 2010 12:45 pm

    “White House reporter Helen Thomas is retiring after making some quite controversial comments about Israel. She said Jews should leave the Middle East and go back to where they came from. The problem is that’s where they came from.” –Jay Leno

  17. Priscilla permalink
    June 11, 2010 7:21 pm

    Leno’s comment funny, but true…..

    Talesesin, come on…first you avoid answering my question, then you pose a question about settlements, as if the Israelis did not unilaterally withdraw its Gaza settlements five years ago.

    I’ll answer my own question – Israel has every right to defend itself from destruction, and to protect its citizens from attack.

    And the US would never invade Cuba anyway…you must be confusing us with Russia, who invaded Georgia in a blatant land grab……resulting in deafening silence from the UN, I might add.

    • Taliesin permalink
      June 12, 2010 2:28 am

      Not going with the Cuba metaphor anymore? How about Iraq. Some “genius” thought they had WMDs so we invaded, we’ve killed thousands of Iraqis and started violence that’s killed millions of Iraqis. Even though the UN said no. I don’t see any sanctions on us for that.

  18. valdobiade permalink
    June 11, 2010 7:46 pm

    Priscilla wrote: Israel has every right to defend itself from destruction, and to protect its citizens from attack.

    Originally, this land belonged to the dinosaurs. However, when the first Jews came, they outsmarted the dinosaurs, and brought them into financial submission. In fact, during the original Israeli reign, it was not uncommon to see a Jew riding his stegosaurus-employee down the street. This was, of course, until the dinosaurs got so sick of listening the perpetual whining that they committed a mass suicide and ended the cretaceous period. Shortly after, the Arabs came. Outnumbered, the Jews decided to ship out to Europe, and take control of the continent’s financial assets.

    • Taliesin permalink
      June 12, 2010 2:24 am

      I lold… 🙂 (Let it to the Birds and reptiles.)
      The Palestinians have a right to defend their land, because it _is_ their land. They launch rockets and elect radicals because Israel is taking them over. They’ve been fighting since before Israel was founded, and the Palestinians resort to terror attacks, the Israelis commit what I can only call war crimes. Look at the kill tally, every time the Palestinians attack Israel, the Israelis kill ten times whatever they lost, and so the Palestinians attack again. The whole giving Israel to the Jews thing was a terrible idea to start with. Imagine if Americans were sent back to Europe, displacing Europeans and their culture.

  19. June 12, 2010 10:24 pm

    But where were the Jews supposed to create their new nation? The only other conceivable spot (other than Antarctica) would have been East Prussia, which had belonged to Germany but was split between Poland and the USSR after the war. So that wasn’t an option.

    Meanwhile, Jews had been buying land in Palestine for decades. And why not — it was the ancestral Jewish homeland. People don’t realize that there was no nation of Palestine before WWI: it was simply part of the Ottoman Empire that coincided with ancient Judea/Israel. And there’s no “Palestinian people” — they’re simply ethnic Arabs who lived in that corner of the Middle East — as well as in what is now Jordan, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon — you get the picture.

    So the Jews didn’t steal anyone’s nation. What they did was displace many thousands of Arabs when Palestine was partitioned into Arab and Jewish states in 1948. I don’t know if they were compensated for the loss of their land (they should have been, obviously). That said, they could have resettled anywhere in the Arab world and been right at home.

    Israel has been arrogant in its treatment of Palestinians, but the Palestinians have been brutal toward Israel. Which came first? It doesn’t even matter at this point; they just have to find a permanent solution. And no, the Jews aren’t planning to leave Israel anytime soon.

  20. valdobiade permalink
    June 14, 2010 4:26 pm

    Rick wrote: “And no, the Jews aren’t planning to leave Israel anytime soon.”

    Of course not! Arabs are so stupid in thinking that Jews, in a way or another, will succumb to Palestinian “kamikaze”. Even if the Jew will be scared to the point to leave Israel, the sites of atomic bombs, the Jews have in Israel, will be the last ones to be left. The last Jew leaving Israel for “home(s)” in Europe and the US, will push the red button. The atomic rockets are already aimed at Arab countries.
    What is after that? The Prophecies – read Revelations… the Jew were right, Jehovah is the true god…

  21. June 15, 2010 10:31 am

    Valdo: I’ve found it interesting that we could literally be heading for Armageddon, especially if hostilities break out between Israel and Iran. There’s a lot of loony prophecy in the Book of Revelation (all those multi-headed creatures), but maybe the ancient scribes were onto something. By the way, I think we’ve just set a record for the number of comments on a New Moderate post. Let’s break out the champagne!

  22. Anonymous permalink
    June 15, 2010 2:24 pm

    Rick wrote: “Valdo: I’ve found it interesting that we could literally be heading for Armageddon, especially if hostilities break out between Israel and Iran. There’s a lot of loony prophecy in the Book of Revelation (all those multi-headed creatures), but maybe the ancient scribes were onto something.”

    Rick, I do not believe in prophecies for the simple fact that a prophecy is just an idea made at a given time by someone who wish it to happen. Moreover, the prophecies are so vaguely made, still they can be “very exactly” put in future context, which of course is a total BS.

    I feel that since that “click” in the human mind that produced “thinking”, the humanity is “naturally” driven to self-destruction despite the efforts to the contrary. It seems that it is easier to destroy than build. It is easier to kick somebody down than to help him up.

    The bible is not the only book to “foresee” the destruction of humanity, but given the times and interests, it happened the bible was more popular. Of course that doesn’t make it more true.

    When two ancient civilizations are continuously eating each other in time, there should be a time to find more and more destructive ways to destroy each other.

    When an ancient prophet says: “There will be a time when somebody will fart in the general direction of West and our enemies will fall dead”, then in time it will transform in: “there will be a time when somebody will launch an atomic missile in the general direction of West and our enemies will fall dead”. PROPHECY ACCOMPLISHED !

    Jews just found a way to destroy themselves by acquiring the atomic bomb. Why Jews needed an atomic bomb? To throw it in Palestine, over the border?

    Wait a minute! They are not that stupid! They just leave Israel with the missiles aimed at Arab countries use a remote to push the red button while they are “home” in Europe and US of A.

    NICE!! That’s why they wanted that territory. Who dare to aim atomic bombs toward Jews in Europe and US of A?

    • valdobiade permalink
      June 15, 2010 2:25 pm

      The comment is mine, “valdobiade”, not anonymous

    • taliesinknol permalink
      June 15, 2010 4:29 pm

      Self fulfilling prophecy anyone?
      *breaks out Kool-Aid* 😉

  23. valdobiade permalink
    June 15, 2010 5:54 pm

    taliesinknol said:

    Self fulfilling prophecy anyone?

    – Well my friend, it is not hard to interpret a passage from Revelations that the Jews will flee from their just occupied territory (as the bible already “said ” they will occupy “back”), AND then the end of the world will be for sure.
    If you want, you can interpret from holy bible that the Jews will acquire the atomic bomb place it among their enemies then find cover among heathens then detonate the bomb and produce:
    ” the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

    Is here anyone that can explain me rationally why Jews needed the atomic bomb?
    Of course when Iran will acquire the atomic bomb, either Palestinians will evict themselves from their territories for the Iran to throw the bomb, or the Jews will flee and detonate the bomb.

    I understand why Europe, USA, Russia, China want an atomic bomb to defend themselves, but why a single nation among enemies nations needs an atomic bomb? Jews don’t even need a ramp for the missiles, just “go home” as Helen Thomson said, flee and detonate. You’re not stupid to let atomic bombs in the hand of Palestinians.

    You may think that I am crazy, but religion is crazier than anything else in this world.

  24. valdobiade permalink
    June 17, 2010 1:30 pm

    Is here anyone who can explain me rationally why Jews needed the atomic bomb?

    No?

    Then pass the cheese and crackers

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