TK, there were some hundreds of thousand Iraqi and Afghans killed, but who cares? All are terrorists as long as they are not Christians. Remember? Bush started a Crusade too, beside the quest for oil (masked under “spreading democracy” tactic)

Priscilla, as Hallie said to me “you’re probably being ‘tongue and cheek’” when you compare Obama with Stalin. Stalin needed about 10 years to became what he became. Obama had no more than 1 year when Hitler-Stalin comparisons hysteria started.

I agree with Hallie – there can be no serious discussion as long as we throwing accusations of Nazism around.

And since when did Bush kill 3,000 Americans? Are we getting into Trutherism now? That is also not a serious debate.

And I don’t think that Bush ever hypnotized any Democrat, lol. I do think that he was a capable and experienced executive when he took office and knew how to help shepherd bipartisan legislation through Congress – think NCLB (essentially Ted Kennedy’s bill, tweaked to get GOP support), Medicare Rx drug coverage, campaign finance reform . I think it is fair to say that Obama has not shown much ability to lead, and has allowed the idealogues in his party to run the show, which is why he is flailing. Maybe he is an idealogue too, maybe not, I’m not sure. But he’s not a good executive right now. I hope that changes.

And, come on, Dems only lost their filibuster proof majority in Jan of 2010. The healthcare bill was introduced back in May 2009….came out of committee in June. The GOP has introduced its own bill twice (the second about 2 weeks ago, by Rep Paul Ryan), but it has never been allowed out of committee, nor have any Republicans been invited to negotiations sonce August. It has not been the Repubs keeping the bill from passing, it has been reluctant Dems.

I’m kind of a wonk on this stuff, I know – sorry. But there are good congressmen on both sides of the aisle who want to do this right. The aforementioned Paul Ryan on the GOP side, Ron Wyden on the Dem side…..and there are others. I think if more people could hear about their ideas, there would be some real hope instead of anger over all this bs………

Valdo: I wouldn’t call Obama a Nazi… if anything, I’d call him Stalin… ;0)

Hallie: Hitler started WWII, and that killed ~50 million people worlswide, on purpose. Bush started the war in Iraq, and incidentally killed 3,000 Americans, I don’t know how many Iraqis… the World economy, American credibility, and reason.

I called Bush a Nazi from the “external” point of view. From the world view, if you want. I can say that Bush was even worse than Hitler. At least Hitler got allies when he started the second world war.
Except Great Britain, that is the 51st US state (snide), who else *really* wanted to go in war for oil?

Hallie, if US controls the oil (that was the actual purpose of invading Iraq), US controls the world, as Hitler wanted. For all I know, Saddam (a president installed by the US), started to deliver oil to the the countries that US despise. What is the “normal” US reaction? An unilateral war with the Congress approval, but that doesn’t make Bush less Nazi in my point of view.

Now I wold like to know why Obama is called Nazi… not that I like Obama, but just for a discussion…

When it comes to healthcare, I still think we need a public option as a choice — sick people need coverage, and it’s not right to force private insurers to carry the burden of insuring high-risk individuals (how’s that for a Republican argument in favor of public health insurance?). If we do force private insurers to take on high-risk clients, they’ll be charging exorbitant premiums, which is also counterproductive.

Anyway, back to your comment… I didn’t know about the Democrats who were coerced into going along with the healthcare bill. Any form of coercion is wrong, of course. (And it seems to be a liberal/Democrat trait.) But that doesn’t excuse the Republicans from their duty to pass needed legislation. Instead, they’re simply crossing their arms, hunkering down and refusing to cooperate. I think it’s reached the point where they’ll do anything to make Obama look ineffective. And to me, that’s hyperpartisanship.